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Osbert Parsley

NDP is orange! Green is the now-defunct Reform Party.

Scraps

It's a shame that Sanchez undercuts his fine point by pulling out another variation on a familiar smear of Chomsky that has no basis in fact. Chomsky pointed out that the coverage of the Khmer Rouge in the U.S. was politically driven, and that other genocides of the same time (such as the East Timor genocide) were completely ignored. He never said the Killing Fields shouldn't be reported, and a libertarian journalist blandly asserting this, without support, is in fact letting ideology dictate what he says (and, presumably, believes).

Rebecca M

To add to the HRC file:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FvyGydc8no

Only a slight improvement on the Laverne & Shirley tribute.

Richard

Scraps made my comment for me.

Ryan Banagale

Thanks for your continued thoughts on this topic, Phil. Here's one on Hillary, which isn't so much a musical tribute as an attempt to capture the "Vh1 viewers of the late 1990s" vote:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=06aWPHOwoGY

See you all in San Antonio!

David Cavlovic

The NDP is, for some reason, orange.
The Green Party is green.

Julian Sanchez

Scraps-
I'll allow that this is an unsympathetically-worded summary of Chomsky's views, but I don't think it's an unfair one. As we both know, of course, Chomsky was extremely critical of anyone who reported on atrocities being carried out by the Khmer Rouge, and did his best to minimize them. With that in mind, consider the following, from a 1988 interview with David Barsamian published in "Chronicles of Dissent":

"[A]n intellectual, like any human being, has the moral responsibility to consider the human consequences of what they do. That's just a truism. If you write, you have a moral responsibility to consider the conseuences of what you write, what are the consequences going to be for human beings....
[I]magine a Russian intellectual now. Should that person write accurate criticism of the terror and atrocities of the Afghan resistance in the Soviet press, knowing that that accurate criticism will enable the Soviet Union to mobilize its own population for further atrocities and aggression? Would that be a morally responsible thing to do?"

Chomsky's answer is, of course, that it would not. And I'll even allow that there are circumstances where I might agree. But the idea we see articulated here, I think, perches atop an exceedingly slippery slope. It is very easy to see how one progresses from this type of reasoning to the conclusion that one ought to keep quiet about any facts that might be used as ammunition to defend an immoral policy.

Julian Sanchez

Scraps-
I'll allow that this is an unsympathetically-worded summary of Chomsky's views, but I don't think it's an unfair one. As we both know, of course, Chomsky was extremely critical of anyone who reported on atrocities being carried out by the Khmer Rouge, and did his best to minimize them. With that in mind, consider the following, from a 1988 interview with David Barsamian published in "Chronicles of Dissent":

"[A]n intellectual, like any human being, has the moral responsibility to consider the human consequences of what they do. That's just a truism. If you write, you have a moral responsibility to consider the conseuences of what you write, what are the consequences going to be for human beings....
[I]magine a Russian intellectual now. Should that person write accurate criticism of the terror and atrocities of the Afghan resistance in the Soviet press, knowing that that accurate criticism will enable the Soviet Union to mobilize its own population for further atrocities and aggression? Would that be a morally responsible thing to do?"

Chomsky's answer is, of course, that it would not. And I'll even allow that there are circumstances where I might agree. But the idea we see articulated here, I think, perches atop an exceedingly slippery slope. It is very easy to see how one progresses from this type of reasoning to the conclusion that one ought to keep quiet about any facts that might be used as ammunition to defend an immoral policy.

Scraps


As we both know, of course, Chomsky was extremely critical of anyone who reported on atrocities being carried out by the Khmer Rouge, and did his best to minimize them.


Though that has been much asserted, to the point of being accepted as a truism by people who haven't read his actual quotes, it is untrue, and doesn't become truer by being buttressed with a a double-barrel of rhetorical leaning (as we both know, of course).

Chomsky was critical of those who published exaggerations about the Khmer Rouge, yes. Time has in fact demonstrated that the reports he criticized were exaggerated. He was also critical of those who reported on the atrocities in Cambodia without reporting on the atrocities of our allies. Neither of those things (of course) mean that he minimized the atrocities, as he has been constantly accused of doing ever since (as we both know).

A link you might find informative:

http://musictravel.free.fr/political/political32.htm

Scraps

Ah, I can't use blockquotes here. The first paragraph is quoting Mr. Sanchez.

Scraps

I apologize if this is unnecessary duplication (I mentioned it in response to one of Mr. Bellman's posts), but, Mr. Ford, I think you would be interested in this post and subsequent conversation about music and the current campaign season (against a backdrop of campaign songs past):

http://nielsenhayden.com/makinglight/archives/010012.html

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