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August 27, 2007

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Chris

This definitely sounds like a worthy read. Are you familiar with (or does this book reference) the work of Ian Cross? He's a musicologist (more a music/science guy) at Cambridge. The arguments he puts forth for the concept of "proto-musical behavior" are pretty compelling.

ECG

JB: oh, snore. Dispense with the self-effacing academic routine -- you and Phil ought to should go back to ripping on each other! That was more entertaining by far.

Jonathan

I formally apologize for toggling back to my essential professional nature. Besides--a spirited disagreement is not the same thing as "ripping on."

You might try to find some old DVDs of Michael Vick events…

Phil Ford

Now *that's* "ripping on" . . .

Peter (the Other)

Mithen's book, by bringing an outsider's viewpoint to wrap up the work from so many disciplines and sub-disciplines, does a great service. In a similar way, William Benzon's Beethoven's Anvil (2001) created such a buzz regarding music and evolutionary theory. There is a palpable drive for some kind of music unified theory, which is still only teasing through many veils. Steven Pinker stirred up a right hornet's nest and it is a rare music cognition & perception conference where you don't hear "auditory cheesecake" sneered at. I am not so sure that it might not be the case, yet, but I'm also not sure why it matters. Music is, and is amazingly important, period. This is proved to me in a most crass way. Here in Hollywood, media is a business, it is all about making money. If producers could forego music in their productions, and save money, they would. They can't, instead they use more and more music. Meanwhile, the average Yank consumes somewhere between 3.5-4.5 hours of television a day (depending on the sources). From this one can infer musics importance (good or bad).

One of my favorite music and language guys, is Ani Patel at NSI. A paper of his maybe you would enjoy, about how French composers melodies resemble the French language, and the same for English. trés amusant!

Patel, A.D., J.R. Iversen, and J.C. Rosenberg (2004) Comparing rhythm and melody in speech and music: The case of English and French. J. Acoust. Soc. Am. 116:2645.

Jonathan

I can imagine that "auditory cheesecake" might come to be treated the same way the phrases "the music itself" or "the autonomous artwork" came to be at musicology conferences. A cleverly turned phrase can be a paradigm-changer, but it can also become a millstone around one's neck if fashion turns against you.

Though I have no real science to throw at the issue, my suspicion is that music *is* more than auditory cheesecake because it emerges, ultimately, from the body, from natural and seemingly instinctive processes. In this it differs from arts like drama or painting (both of which show up in Mithen's book, BTW) and which might perhaps more appropriately be called--I don't know--"cultural cheesecake," though I intend disrespect to neither. It does seem that all or almost all faith systems have depended on music to mediate between the worlds, to bear prayers (verbal or non-verbal) to the Deity or deities, and this to me suggests a different status and origin for music, as if it lies so much deeper than memory that a religious connection was somehow unavoidable. As I say, though, this is entirely speculative on my part.

Thanks for the Patel ref.; I'll try to hunt that up. I've heard lots of speculation of this kind regarding other languages (Hungarian, Czech); it would be nice to read something on the subject I have a chance of understanding.

Music Access

Great review. His descriptions of human response to instruments is powerfully stated. I really want to read that book now.

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